To honor their legacy and ensure their stories aren 麻豆精品 S檛 forgotten, the (FFSS) project, through UCF 麻豆精品 S檚 , recognizes the Floridians who fought and died in Europe during World War II and are now buried in the American Battle Monuments Commission cemeteries in France.

The project, which intends to memorialize Gold Star Floridians from World War II, also teaches history students how to conduct research and construct a historical narrative. This year 10 new biographies are being published through the project in honor of VE Day on May 8 and Memorial Day on May 26.

麻豆精品 S淭he young men whom our UCF students learn about died [around] the age [they] are when they research these stories. [Students] learn valuable research and writing skills, as well as about an individual who paid the ultimate price during World War II, 麻豆精品 S� says Amelia Lyons, leader of the FFSS project and an associate professor in the UCF history department.

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FFSS graduate students verify all sources, edit biographies written by undergraduates and manage the FFSS website. In the process, they develop a range of professional skills they can carry into their careers after graduation.

Michael Richardson ’22, a U.S. Navy veteran and history graduate student, recently edited the biography of Steward 麻豆精品 S檚 Mate Second Class Charles Stripling. Stripling is the FFSS 麻豆精品 S檚 first biography from the Normandy American Cemetery and one of the African American sailors to pay the ultimate price during the Allied invasion in June 1944.

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This summer, Oury and Lyons will travel to Alsace in eastern France to meet with U.S. Consulate representatives, officials from France 麻豆精品 S檚 Ministry of Culture, and regional officials and WWII museums that have expressed interest in featuring UCF student-authored stories of American soldiers in their exhibits.

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This project is deeply personal for Richardson, past president of UCF 麻豆精品 S檚 Student Veterans of America chapter.

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As we pay tribute to our nation 麻豆精品 S檚 fallen on Memorial Day, we invite you to read some of the newly published biographies by the Florida France Soldier Stories project. Many of these men never had the chance to start families, and those who did often didn 麻豆精品 S檛 live to see them grow up. Memorial Day is a time to reflect and honor those who are no longer with us, but whose sacrifice allows us to celebrate this holiday weekend.

New Florida France Soldier Stories

*Cities in parentheses indicate where the veterans are buried.

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Name: Marie Oury
Major: 贬颈蝉迟辞谤测听

Why are you interested in this research?
This research has many layers for me: 聽It links France, my home country, and Florida, where my children were born and where I live now. It explores the regions of France where French people still live with the reminders of American troops’ passage and sacrifice. It investigates World War II, a period for which many questions remain unanswered. It impacts communities in Florida, helping heal family and community wounds opened eighty years ago. But most of all, it changes UCF students who participate in this research. Once our undergraduate students start working on the biography of a soldier, they not only dive into the man or the woman’s life and learn about his/her social and economic environment, but the students also humanize periods such as the Great Depression and World War II. Through their soldier’s life, students understand the impacts of major events or periods on Florida families in a way that no historical account can. It is a powerful way for students to learn about and relate to their communities’ history. 聽And they learn that American soldiers still matter to in France, in the communities they died to liberate.

Are you a faculty member or student conducting research at UCF? We want to hear from you!

How did you get started in research at UCF?
I started researching history at UCF with the Veteran Legacy Program (VLP), a grant program sponsored by the VA 麻豆精品 S檚 National Cemetery Administration (NCA). In 2018, during the 100th anniversary of the end of World War I, I researched Floridians who served in World War I and who died and are buried in France in the American Battle Monuments Commission (ABMC) cemeteries. I traveled with Drs. Amelia Lyons, Amy Giroux and Connie Lester to France to visit the cemeteries, and the Veterans we studied. This VLP program led me to work in 2022 for the Florida-France Soldier Stories project, also led by Dr. Amelia Lyons.

Who is your mentor? Who inspires you and how?
Dr. Amelia Lyons took me under her wing when I started at UCF. I was not sure I would find my place in a History MA program at an American university. I came from a business background, from another country, and had not been in school for years. Dr. Lyons trusted me and gave me the opportunity to change my career path. Through her classes and the two Veterans research projects she leads, Dr. Lyons and the UCF history department taught me the techniques and skills historians need. I witnessed how she inspired her students to become better historians in every project in which I have participated; she is always looking at new ways to involve, teach, and challenge them 麻豆精品 S攁nd expecting the best of them in return. I am very grateful to have Dr. Lyons as my advisor, and I am confident that the day I graduate, she will have prepared and equipped me very well to work as a historian.

How does UCF empower you to do your research?
UCF empowered me to do research thanks to the funding, the resources, and the communication platform it provides for this project. UCF, the History department, and the UCF library offer tools, research material, support, and a nurturing environment for researchers to gather, exchange, work together, and learn from each other competencies. Such a public history project is not the result of one person; it can only be successful thanks to teamwork.

Why is this research important?
This research helps students and Florida communities to remember the sacrifices men and women made during World War II. These soldiers, buried in France, had their lives cut short and left behind devastated families and communities in Florida as well as in France. In a world where intolerance and tensions grow, as in our world today, I believe it is important, especially for the young generation, to learn and reflect on the consequences of a war. Even if the fighting happened thousands of miles away, the ripple effects touched every Florida community one way or another, leaving long-term impacts we can still feel eighty years later. As time passes, fewer people will personally remember these soldiers or even say their names, but thanks to our project, we are bringing these men and women back to service and to life.

Are you a faculty member or student conducting research at UCF? We want to hear from you!

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Why are you interested in this research?
My interest in this research really stems from the importance of it and wanting to make sure those who might otherwise be forgotten, are not, and that their service and sacrifices are remembered. Though World War I happened over a hundred years ago and the individuals who lived and served in it are no longer with us, their impact is still felt today. We cannot forget that impact or the importance of it.

Are you a faculty member or student conducting research at UCF? We want to hear from you!

How did you get started in research at UCF?
I credit my start in research at UCF to my professors in my undergraduate career, especially my history professors. As a history student, my professors fostered an environment for research, not only teaching how to conduct research, but allotting me opportunities to conduct research by getting me into the archives and the sources. This continued throughout my time in my master 麻豆精品 S檚 program, where the faculty provided their knowledge and encouragement, and opportunities for field work.

Who is your mentor? Who inspires you and how?
Dr. Amelia Lyons had been my mentor since my undergraduate career and throughout my master 麻豆精品 S檚 program. She has not only been my mentor, but an inspiration, an advocate, and overall, one of my biggest supporters. Her dedication to her students is above and beyond and she is a well-accomplished researcher and educator. As I continue to further my education and one day teach, I aspire to have that level of passion, commitment and compassion.

How does UCF empower you to do your research?
UCF has empowered me to conduct my research in numerous ways, including support from the outstanding faculty and staff, through funding opportunities to travel to conduct my research and present at conferences, the ability to share my research at events, such as the Student Scholar Symposium, the opportunities have been endless at UCF.

Why is this research important?
This research is important because by tracing psychological trauma and the treatment of trauma, we begin and continue to understand the changes that have occurred over time and the impact the past has had on the present and how it can shape the future. My research not only increases our understanding of the past, but further breaks down some of the stigma surrounding trauma today.

How to Get Involved with Research at UCF

• : A for STEM students entering UCF from high school that provides hands-on early research opportunity for academic success.
• : The Office of Research hosts workshops that inform students about how to get started in research and find a faculty member to work with and the first steps on getting started in research.
• : Over the course of two to four semesters, students work closely with a faculty committee to research, write, defend, and publish an original thesis that serves as an honors capstone product of their undergraduate career.
• : A semester-long immersive, classroom experience offered in fall and spring semesters that provides students ways to get connected to research opportunities. This program is available in person or online.
• : OUR is dedicated to cultivating and supporting world-class research at UCF. Students can connect with the office for any questions they may have about research or to find opportunities.
• : This program connects students with experienced undergraduate researchers who will provide guidance on how to get started and get support through research experiences.
• : This online resource allows students to discover research opportunities with UCF researchers across various disciplines. Please note faculty contact information is password protected, but students can gain access by attending a peer mentoring session, completing the Research Roadmaps webcourse, and through other engagement opportunities.
• : The is an online, non-credit, self-paced course that introduces students to research opportunities at UCF. It provides the same information as peer mentoring sessions or a workshop, but at your own pace. Completion of this course also provides you access to the Research Positions Database.
• Summer Research Academy: A three-day event in July that 麻豆精品 S檚 designed to support UCF undergraduate students across all majors who are interested in participating in research and creative scholarship. This is an ideal opportunity for students who want to begin research in the fall.
• : A for first-year, transfer students at UCF who have already earned an Associate in Arts degree. T-LEARN provides a select group of students interested in STEM hands-on learning experiences by helping them engage in research.

Are you a faculty member or student conducting research at UCF? We want to hear from you!

麻豆精品 S淰eterans Month at UCF honors Americans … and their contribution to the nation during their service and afterward, 麻豆精品 S� says Barbara Gannon, associate professor of history and the driving force of Veterans Month at UCF for over a decade. 麻豆精品 S淚 think it is particularly important to honor veterans because they remind us that Americans can do great things when they work together and set aside their differences. Veterans did this, and so can we. 麻豆精品 S�

Throughout the month, UCF Knights will have the opportunity to learn veteran stories, connect with other veteran students and alumni, and celebrate new veterans’ projects at the university. Below is the list of Veterans Month events coordinated by the and the in partnership with units across the university.

Sunday, Nov. 6 – Thursday, Nov. 10: UCF Student Veterans Flag Week

The Military and Veteran Student Success Center, with the assistance of Army and Air Force ROTC, will plant over 1,400 American Flags in Memory Mall throughout the week of Nov. 7. The flags represent the number of student veterans attending UCF for the Fall 2022 semester. Students can to help plant flags in Memory Mall throughout the week.

Wednesday, Nov. 9: Veterans Salute & Purple Heart Proclamation, Honors Veterans Wounded in Battle

At Memory Mall between 10 a.m. and 1 p.m., the Veterans History Project (VHP) in collaboration with the Air Force and Army ROTC and the will host a salute to veterans in honor of Veterans Day.

The event will include the raising of the American flag, playing of taps and Purple Heart Proclamation with commentary about UCF’s designation as a Purple Heart University. The designation signifies the university 麻豆精品 S檚 recognition and honor of veterans wounded in combat while serving their country who are now pursuing higher education and careers at UCF.

Tuesday, Nov. 15: Veterans History Project Story Day – Emergency Service Veterans

The UCF Community Veterans History Project (VHP) collects, preserves and makes accessible to the public the experiences of Central Florida’s veterans. The histories collected by the VHP are archived and made digitally available through the UCF Libraries. The project also contributes selected veterans’ histories to the Veterans History Project at the Library of Congress.

Throughout the month of November, the VHP will host two 麻豆精品 S淪tory Days. 麻豆精品 S� During each story day VHP team members will meet with veterans to collect, preserve and honor the stories of Florida’s veterans. The second story day will happen via Zoom and focus on collecting stories from veterans currently working in emergency services. Students can email history@ucf.edu for more information.

Gannon, a veteran herself, is the principal investigator of the VHP. For over a decade, Gannon has worked with students to preserve these oral histories.

麻豆精品 S淭he VHP records veterans’ stories all year. We believe every day is Veterans Day, 麻豆精品 S� Gannon says.

Wednesday, Nov. 16: Florida France Soldiers Stories

The John C. Hitt Library, room 402 will host a panel discussion and workshop from 4:30 to 5:30 p.m. with panelists Amelia Lyons, Elizabeth Klements, Marie Oury, Diana Dizon and Evan Murray, along with UCF research librarians Richard Harrison and Rich Gause.

The seeks to tell the stories of the Florida soldiers buried in the American Battle Monuments Commission cemeteries in France. The goal of the project is to honor and commemorate the brave individuals who gave their lives supporting the Allied forces, liberating France and defeating Germany in the Second World War. The project also teaches students participating in this research project about the history of France and Florida during World War II, the history of individual servicemen and how to implement historical research methods in their work.

Wednesday, Nov. 30: Veteran Knights 麻豆精品 S� Roundtable – Conversation with UCF Alumni Veterans

The history department will be sponsoring a conversation between alumni veterans at 6 p.m. via . They’ll discuss transitioning from military personnel to student veteran, their experiences at UCF, and how a UCF education and their military experience got them to where they are now.

Jim Stoddard 麻豆精品 S�14 麻豆精品 S�20MA is a current doctoral student and moderator of the event. A veteran himself, he’s experienced firsthand the support UCF gives to its veteran students.

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While these events are held in recognition of , UCF supports its nearly 1,400 student veterans year-round.

Recently, the UCF Veterans Legacy Program (VLP), a partnership with the Department of Veterans Affairs 麻豆精品 S� National Cemetery Administration (NCA), received a new grant this year to help Florida schools teach students about veteran histories.

Building on work from 2017 through 2019, UCF 麻豆精品 S檚 new VLP grant will work with teachers at Florida K-12 schools to create veteran-focused classroom projects at a 10-day workshop held at the headquarters for the Florida National Guard, located in the historic St. Francis Barracks and the adjacent St. Augustine National Cemetery.

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Researchers and community partners who developed the project will celebrate and launch the new grant at an event with guests from the Department of Veterans Affairs 麻豆精品 S� National Cemetery Administration (NCA).

Earlier this year, UCF earned a Silver Award on the 2022-23 Military Friendly Schools list, an organization that measures commitment, effort, and success in creating sustainable and meaningful benefits for the military population. UCF also offers a range of scholarships and resources available for veteran students, including the Office of Military and Veteran Student Success and UCF RESTORES, a nonprofit clinical research center and treatment clinic.

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The project, led by Amelia Lyons, associate professor of history and director of graduate programs, will engage UCF students in research and writing about veterans 麻豆精品 S� graves and monuments. In addition, UCF faculty and students will collaborate with Central Florida schools to produce interactive curriculums for K-12 students and organize a field trip to the cemetery in Bushnell, which is the county seat of Sumter County.

Involving students of all ages in the project will engage the community with the service and sacrifice of veterans, and will give undergraduate and graduate students a real-life lesson in professionalization, Lyons says.

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Luke Bohmer, a history graduate student, recently participated in a field research day at the cemetery. 麻豆精品 S淚t is vital to go to where the history is, whether it’s a cemetery or an archive. This is more humanizing and palpable than any statistic could ever be, 麻豆精品 S� he says.

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The corresponding website exhibit created by the research team 麻豆精品 S� including Scot French, digital historian; Amy Giroux, a computer research specialist in ; and graduate student assistants 麻豆精品 S� will use software to map the research virtually, and UCF 麻豆精品 S檚 RICHES Mosaic Interface to create a digital archive.

The public will also be able to participate in the project through an interactive element at the cemetery. Giroux will lead the team in the creation of an augmented-reality app, which will include student-authored biographies of veterans for visitors.

Students are already aware of the impact the program will have. Malagon says the digital components will allow relatives to learn something about their veteran in a way that would not have been possible without the technology available today.

The Florida National Cemetery is one of 135 cemeteries overseen by the VA. Team members recently visited the site to begin their research.

UCF researchers have already begun integrating assignments for the project into their graduate and undergraduate courses.

Students, including those in Lyons 麻豆精品 S� Modern Europe and the First World War class and Professor Barbara Gannon 麻豆精品 S檚 War and Society classes, are conducting research, searching for any documented history on the veterans whose graves will be selected.

Undergraduate students are excited to participate in the project.

Kristina Himschoot comes from a family with deep military roots.聽 Her parents met in the U.S. Air Force, and both her grandparents served.

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Anson Shurr expects he’ll draw a deeper, more personal connection with veterans through his research.

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Kenneth Holliday, who is both a student and U.S. Army veteran, says that because April 6 marks the 100th anniversary of the nation 麻豆精品 S檚 entry into World War I, the research is especially timely.

麻豆精品 S漌e are in the centennial of World War I. There is no better time to recognize the service of these veterans, 麻豆精品 S� Holliday says.

Graduate students in Professor Caroline Cheong 麻豆精品 S檚 Seminar in Historic Preservation course are helping to identify the graves and monuments to be included and are photographing the sites for both the webpage and the app.

French, associate professor and director of public history, is having students in his Viewing American History in the 20th Century class create interactive digital materials for use on the website. John Sacher, associate professor of history and liaison with public schools, is integrating the results of the project into K-12 curriculum that will be available for use in schools across the U.S.

In May, the UCF team and local middle- and high-school students will travel to the cemetery as a kickoff event for the program. UCF student researchers will interact with younger students at the cemetery, providing what Holliday sees as 麻豆精品 S渁 much more personal connection on an individual level. Instead of remembering the major battles and the big names of military and political leaders, the students and local residents can remember that at the heart of the conflict were average people that all of us can probably relate to in some way. 麻豆精品 S�

Gannon, who is also coordinator of UCF 麻豆精品 S檚 Veterans History Project, says that because the university engages with veterans and rich history in creating extensive interactive exhibits and web-based tools, the funding doesn 麻豆精品 S檛 come as a surprise.

Other schools selected by the VA 麻豆精品 S檚 National Cemetery Administration for the project are San Francisco State University and Black Hills State University.

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The contracts are the first of many planned initiatives to engage educators, students, researchers and the general public through the Veterans Legacy Program. For more information, visit the on the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs’ website.

Established through the National Cemetery Administration (NCA), between 2017 and 2019, VLP harnessed UCF student research efforts to create biographies of veterans buried in national cemeteries in Florida. In piecing together veterans 麻豆精品 S� stories, students gained historical insight while honoring forgotten legacies.

麻豆精品 S淚 brought someone back to life who had been forgotten in life and in death, 麻豆精品 S� Lyons recalls a student who worked on the program saying.

Now, thanks to a new grant from the Department of Veterans Affairs, that impact will extend beyond the university. Starting in 2023, UCF students and faculty will partner with teachers at Florida K-12 schools to create VLP classroom projects. These projects will connect younger students with veterans’ stories through their local NCA cemetery.

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In June 2023, about two dozen Florida teachers will be invited to the UCF Veterans Legacy Program Institute, a 10-day workshop held at the headquarters for the Florida National Guard, located in the historic St. Francis Barracks and the adjacent St. Augustine National Cemetery. Participants will create veteran biography assignments and design a tour of their local NCA cemetery using the St. Augustine National Cemetery as inspiration.

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Alison Simpson, command historian for the Florida National Guard, is partnering with VLP to provide the setting for the institute. She will also share expertise about St. Augustine 麻豆精品 S檚 history for participants planning class field trips to the area.

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Each teacher 麻豆精品 S檚 local cemetery tour will be unique and versatile, highlighting individual veterans whose histories fit with their grade level 麻豆精品 S檚 larger curriculum. The final learning materials created at the Institute will be posted on the maintained by (CHDR).

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At the institute, UCF alumni who previously worked on VLP will share their expertise through panels and one-on-one discussions. Meanwhile, current students will collaborate with teachers to prepare curriculum and conduct research on veterans buried in St. Augustine.

According to Lyons, this exemplifies how an education in the humanities prepares students for future careers.

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According to Lyons, this program is especially impactful because it allows veterans who served our nation in life to continue their service by educating new generations. Meanwhile, it helps students understand the cultural context of the time a veteran lived.

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